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crapnotshit 4:29 Thu Jun 25
Thanks to our owners
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Just feel the need to show my gratitude to our owners.
Great work regarding manager and players.
Bloody well done!
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Mex Martillo
8:43 Sat Jun 27
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Agree, doing a great job.
Nice to see us steadily growing and improving in a way you feel we are going forward what ever happens.
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crapnotshit
5:31 Fri Jun 26
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Short, short? Fuck off!
But its history, and with Payet onboard things are getting better every day
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Fivetide
10:19 Thu Jun 25
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crapnotshit 8:59 Thu Jun 25
BFS was a horrific experience
It wasn't a great deal of fun, but it was short and it included a playoff final win and no relegations.
Most have experienced a LOT worse with West Ham..!
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Joke Whole
10:16 Thu Jun 25
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Arko 9:13 Thu Jun 25
I don't see any issue with "state aid".
The government at the time took a decision that would have left the arena - and probably the whole area - as a non-viable Olympic legacy.
Upon reflection, the government then decided to rectify the situation and a quirk of geography meant that West Ham appear to have been handed a big present from the state: we haven't.
How should the future use of the arena been decided? Draw straws for which of the country's 92 professional clubs get to call the place "home"?
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Arko
9:13 Thu Jun 25
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Cough, I know that, but we are renting a stadium which has been converted with hundreds of millions of pounds to suit West Ham's footballing needs, at least to a degree.
I am not sure how much rent West Ham (or any other club) would need to be contributing in terms of rent or conversion money upfront to NOT constitute state aid.
I also don't understand this claim that West Ham cannot have an advantage over their competitors.
I thought that was the whole point of moving,
why should West Ham move if it doesn't help our club to progess and benefit financially ?
Yes, West ham were lucky that the OS was built on our patch. But we are anchor concessionairs only.
Saying that surely no one can expect West Ham to pay for everything in terms of converting the OS and keep it up and running as there will be other events in there West Ham won't be benefitting from.
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Far Cough
9:03 Thu Jun 25
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Arko, we're not being given anything, we're RENTING
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crapnotshit
8:59 Thu Jun 25
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BFS was a horrific experience. But he's gone and I am a forgiver
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Arko
8:09 Thu Jun 25
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whufcroe, I belive the bidding process has been challenged legally, so nobody can dispute we have won that bidding process in the correct manner.
That in itself though doesn't take care of the state aid issue. If someone started a legal challenge with the European Courts or the European Courts decided to look into this on their own accord, there might still be some trouble.
In that respect it won't even matter too much if the LLDC have messed this up or West Ham as essentially it would affect us either way.
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whufcroe
8:05 Thu Jun 25
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Arko 7:29 Thu Jun 25
Nothing to come clean about, the deal is confidential
it's been challenged several times in court and passed ok.
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Gavros
8:00 Thu Jun 25
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the Club was first involved with the OS under Brown, who handed it onto Eggy, who fucked up the negotiations (along with not having much support from the OPLC).
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Far Cough
7:58 Thu Jun 25
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Obiang
Yes, you HAVE missed something
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hornchurchsteve
7:51 Thu Jun 25
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Who have we signed? I must have missed something
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Johnson
7:51 Thu Jun 25
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Ok, based on your criteria I'll give my honest opinion:
1) Investing in players to build a team rather than selling our best players each year.
No doubt BERKS Inc. No doubt, although I do question the wisdom of players like Nolan on big wages and this froggy fella on 6 years as reported.
They (Sullivan) absolutely should pipe down and let Bilic and Henry go for their own people mind.
2) Putting money into the club rather than taking it out
Again BERKS Inc. HOWEVER, they have at times tried to mislead people into thinking they are these Jack Walker types. The majority of their investment is in the form of loans, with unspecified interest rates, so they will get their money back and then some were we to be sold. It is their risk we could fold and they never get it back of course.
3) Having professionalism on and off the pitch
Brown for me. Under BERKS Inc we have witnessed the undermining of managers, relegation due to sheer incompetence over the courting of O'Neill and the failure to sack Grant - then BOAST from Gold0 that they know when to sack managers because they did it 10 minutes after we were relegated.
They also recruited and supported BFS in the pisstaking of our heritage (whether you agree with it BFS should have been told to watch it), the throwing of cup and league games to suit, a series of transfer "rumours" around ST renewal times and the massive shit on loyalty and lies over the OS and badge change.
We can come to their rest of their bullshit on TWITTER et al in point 4.
4) Communicating with the fans
Brown again, although by default. Now, someone can tell you 100 things but if a lot of them are lies, or pisstakes, or pointless that doesn't make them better at communication than someone who tells you 10 things but all are factual etc.
They released a pledge that they said we should judge them on, it's never been heard of again. They also promised transparency on the OS, the BIGGEST lie they've told. I've covered some of their bullshit above but using a kid on Twitter to feed fans and the press info is two-bob imo and Gold should absolutely have his Twitter vetted as he has told so many lies you actually have to wonder if he knows what day of the week it is, he's also been made to look silly by the boy Sullivan undermining him more than once.
Not good.
Probably my biggest gripe with these two, which I am sure is obvious.
5) Keeping the wage bill down to a manageable level (target approx 50% of turnover).
Draw. I think both have been guilty of poorly managing wages, some of our current squad are probably far too high and some of our squads under Brown had too high players in too.
6) Investing in the club's future (infrastructure, academy etc)
Brown. For the reasons you stated and the fact he is not dragging us to the OS under dubious pretences as far as the suitability of the stadium and how it'll help us compete going forward and they seem to have fucked the academy on their watch and now have the husband of Brady's PA running it or something.
7) Keeping the fans happy that at the beginning of each season we have a chance of doing better than the previous season.
If it's on factual things, in terms of buying players then it's BERKS inc for me too although the bullshit storm we sometimes get and their continued support for BFS two years too long sours it.
8) Keeping the ground full.
Brown as I don't recall Brown ever lying about attendances or bussing in a load of Mussies simply to make us look busy for the tele. We can't even sell out the last season at UP despite their bullshit trying to suggest otherwise.
Prices are the 3rd most expensive or something.
9) Keeping us in the top tier.
Draw.
10) Appointing the right manager.
Draw. I'm tempted Brown but he did employ Roeder and ruin our best squad ever. He recovered with Pards for me. BERKS sacked Zola who, as poor as he was didn't relegate us in difficult circumstances and replaced him with Grant who did in less difficult circumstances.
I can't penalising them in this category for appointing BFS as even though I have always hated the cunt, he did get us up and keep us up, which was ultimately what they and we, begrudgingly in the way they did it, wanted.
11) Playing football the West Ham way
Brown. BERKS Inc endorsed BFS's bullshit by signing the OAF in the first place then allowed him to bullshit them and us with his promise of better football to supposedly keep his job - which I maintain was just more bullshit to the fans to get us to buy STs.
So I have it:
BERKS Inc. 3
Brown 5
Draw 3.
Now, this is subjective and doesn't mean I am making a statement that Brown was a better owner than BERKS Inc as their tenure could prove to the be the best ever for any club if this OS deal goes right.
Based on my preference and what I have seen from the two owners, that's my scorecard.
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Arko
7:29 Thu Jun 25
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On a side note I think that our board need to liaise with the LLDC and take the bull by the horns and come clean about the OS deal.
The last thing we want after all we've been through are more state aid related legal challenges down the road that could put our club in a situation where we won't be with a ground at all, not even one to rent.
I'm not sure if the main responsibility for state aid issues actually is with the LLDC/government or West ham as the anchor concessionaire, but this needs to be clarified and sorted out with the relevant authorities BEFORE we actually move.
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whufcroe
7:28 Thu Jun 25
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"and our current form is the worst of any club in the Premier League next season."
WTF?
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peroni
7:09 Thu Jun 25
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comma,
I agree.
It was the "replacing" of Zola with Grant that I should have stressed.
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BRANDED
7:08 Thu Jun 25
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DO WAT?
They haven't done anything yet?
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,
7:06 Thu Jun 25
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No problem with sacking Zola but it was his replacement that went wrong. Grant turned out to be far worse than many of us expected and his mid season exit was so mishandled by the owners that MoN turned us down.
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Passerby66
7:05 Thu Jun 25
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Johnson 5:57 Thu Jun 25
Fair enough, I thought that you probably weren't as, although I disagree with your opinion on a lot. your musings generally have thought and substance to back them up.
FWIW - I back the move the the OS but I also acknowledge that it could end up being a disaster (we're not going to know until we actually take our seats for the first match) and if it is then you are right to equate the PRing to the bond scheme and the consequences will be much worse for the club. However, as I said, I agree with the move as the way football is going, without it we would be permenantly relegated to being a small club in the PL and with it we have a chance of pushing up to challenge for top 6 and above. I know your opinion on this and we are not going to change each other's minds so we should agree to disagree.
I think that the (fairly arbitrary) criteria I would use for good owners would be:
1) Investing in players to build a team rather than selling our best players each year.
2) Putting money into the club rather than taking it out
3) Having professionalism on and off the pitch
4) Communicating with the fans
5) Keeping the wage bill down to a manageable level (target approx 50% of turnover).
6) Investing in the club's future (infrastructure, academy etc)
7) Keeping the fans happy that at the beginning of each season we have a chance of doing better than the previous season.
8) Keeping the ground full.
9) Keeping us in the top tier.
10) Appointing the right manager.
11) Playing football the West Ham way
Brown vs Gollivan
1) Definitely Gollivan.
2) Gollivan
3) Gollivan
4) Gollivan (Brown was notoriously secretive, though it is easier to communicate with fans now via twitter etc than it was then – also the SAB for all its weaknesses is better than anything that was in place under Brown when you had to buy shares and turn up at the AGM to get anything from the club)
5) Gollivan (it was over 75% of turnover and deemed unsustainable under Brown)
6) Brown – he built the West stand and increased the capacity of the club by almost 50%. However, this will be eclipsed by the OS move. Brown definitely had a better academy though as I think that this has ben ignored under Gollivan.
7) Gollivan. We never bought anyone for any real money under Brown even though we deid uncover some cheap gems.
8) Equal.
9) Equal
10) Brown – Redknapp for all his faults played football the way I want to watch it, Allardyce didn’t. I liked Pardew too. However I think that we will appreciate some of the steel and nastiness that Allardyce gave us under Billic. Billic the jury is out. I’m not a fan but I hope to be proved wrong.
11) Brown. The football under Grant and Allardyce was lousy. Hopefully Billic can combine Allardyce steel and Redknapp flair.
Overall then I score it 7-4 to Gollivan. Over to you…
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peroni
7:02 Thu Jun 25
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To the OP
Yes, they're hopefully moving in the right direction but they also fucked up massively by replacing Zola with Grant and then employing the biggest cunt of a manager ever. It's been dark times. They've overseen a relegation, the worst football ever seen at Upton Park and our current form is the worst of any club in the Premier League next season.
I love your positivity though, so yeah - thanks.
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,
6:57 Thu Jun 25
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crapnot, have you forgiven them for the four years of BFS you found not to your liking [ to put it mildly ]?
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